(1) by watermarking there is an assumption that groups wanted power over distribution (according to Daiz) which is in the first place hypocrisy because scanlating is in its core a breakage from this "power over distribution" which is originally from the publishers like Kadokawa, Shueisha. Fansubbing has this problem, and they don't give a fuck. Scanlators pirate the mangaka's work, mangaka aren't vocal against it, why would scanlators be vocal if another pirate steal their work?
Hypocrisy? Most probably. But again, this goes back to my previous argument. Whether or not their argument is right or wrong, whether they even have the right to argue about it is actually irrelevant. Because this is THEIR opinion. And THEY'RE the ones working to bring you this. Take a bitch ass superstar for example. No one wants to live with them loud-mouthing all the time. But you still suck up to them, you still pay them, you make them happy because they bring you stuff that you want. It would be irrational to try to get the person to work for you without paying them, without listening to their demands, without supporting them or anything. But isn't that what's being demanded? Take away everything scanlator wants to do and still give the people stuff. Between their ability to make a hypocritical argument versus the readers ability to make demands, I think the scanlators win quite easily. Because like I said, if they stop, you lose. If you stop reading, they don't lose anything.
I'm sorry to scanlators for comparing you to a bitch ass superstar. ^^;;
(2) by watermarking, there is an assumption that groups are taking claim of the manga, which is problematic because this attracts publishers' hate. Publishers turn a blind eye over scanlations because there is no one is profiting off it. But if they see their manga being pirated and with your group name slapped onto it, that would incite the publisher's and the mangaka's rage, slowly killing scanlation. DMCA's would fly.
Well, after the 14th, all the profit argument just went out the door. But I see that the watermarks has not changed as we see on uploads today. The biggest DMCAs have been flown before when scanlation didn't make anything. The scanlators making money changed one thing as well. We've been buying more raws than ever before. Less dealing with crappy versions floating around. So, the money scanlators make is funneling straight into the publishers. That combined with increasing research
where piracy in such form actually helps sales of the original, I personally wouldn't start any big legal actions anymore than the previous state. Lastly, I don't think any group is claiming that the author didn't do anything either. Virtually every location writes the "author" field, even on mangafox with the original author's name.
(3) Mangafox, Mangahere, etc. will never die. The casualties would include Mangafox readers, Batoto readers, Archivists, while the only thing that should be targeted would be Mangafox readers.
Indeed, it is very hard to near impossible to force an internet business to die as the continual expenses are usually minimal compares to their revenues unless there's a serious flaw in their business plan (like giving 100% revenue share is a serious flaw in the business plan). But, it doesn't mean we can't try to punish them, try to show people better (in a very general sense) alternatives. It doesn't mean we can't do what we want to do, because that is our freedom.
I think everyone finds it unfortunate that many people get caught in the middle of the war. But unless the method of fighting can evolve to be more precise, I think this will continue. Aiding to make the fight become more precise is something people could help with.
/a/ has only 2 simple demands to scanlators:
(1) Use mediafire (I don't know why this is hard. I was able to upload to mediafire using shitty Philippine internet connection with absolutely 0 costs and there are no "wait x minutes"/"simultaneous downloads" BS, decent DL speeds, I don't know why others can't do it.)
I quite agree. Though, not specifically mediafire as there are alternatives even better than mediafire like Weaper mentioned.
I've said this many times myself. The purpose to using paid download sites is stupid. Attempting to earn money with it for anime makes sense because they're big and these places pay more for big files. But few image files stuck inside an archive is a different story. They almost always get filed as the minimum pay category. Then combined with not that many downloads multiplied by worse possible pay, it's hard to find groups earning anymore than $15~20/month with these. It's so minuscule that I don't see why they would bother annoying their fans.
Though, a bit of insider info. Some people continue to use sites like deposit files because they get a free premium deposit files account as a reward so they can download from other ones without the wait. lol Lot of facepalm in a bigger sense of things.
(2) No watermarks ... or release clean version (at least for me, since majority of /a/ are impatient enough not to be able to wait at least a day or week)
I believe I've already addressed this via above 3 points and my previous post. Simply saying no to watermark isn't necessarily going to help you in the long run. We have to learn to see further than what's directly in front.
EDIT: I'm aware that only a little portion of scanlators are actaully doing this. Majority of scanlators aren't giving a fuck (the smaller ones).
As operators of this site, we actually see a lot of version 2's, 3's, etc. But it's rarely noticeable for obvious reasons without an announcement -- nor would an announcement as big as new release be appropriate. Must admit at that I'm at a cross road how to display this well. Of course there's the date uploaded, but who reads that?
I don't think it's wrong to give pointers to small or big groups, given that it's being said in a proper manner. Taking directly personal case as an example, some of my group's members got over zealous with watermarks. Someone alerted me of its distastefulness. Thanks to that, I found out and I told the others to stop and was stopped. This stuff happens. Scanlators aren't alienating themselves so much that they aren't willing to listen.
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