I am sure that this will spur peoples ire but I do not mean to be disrespectful with my question, I just have to ask this question. Everyone is mad because Noez is making money off ad revenue and disrespecting the groups by not respecting their wishes but aren't some groups doing the same. They are make money off ads on their readers and some are making money off batoto and we all know that while they are not shooting c&d's at everyone, the publishers and mangakas do not like this thing we are doing. Are some groups not doing the same thing? Are they not making money off this and disrespecting the mangakas and publishers.
I ask because I have noticed a groups shouting about how horrible Noez is but they are doing the same thing as Noez, just on a smaller scale.
When I say groups I am not talking about ones that are like ATeam. The only money they get are from donations and file hosting. I am talking about the ones with ads in the their readers and main pages that spend all their time bashing Noez.
I am also not a fan of Noez and I understand why groups like ATeam watermark. I just can't understand why people complain so much about what someone is doing while they are doing the same thing.
I am not sure where to post this. I would have posted it on a site but I am afraid I might offend and get banned and I thought about posting it on mangafox itself but since I am not saying they are awesome it would probably disappear. Also I am sorry if I am posting this in the wrong place. I wasn't sure where to put it.
Are some scan groups really better then Noez
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Nah, this is the right place for this.
It's not necessarily the money factor that makes people dislike NOEZ, it's the fact that they do not respect the scanlators' wishes. Prime example is MangaStream - they exclusively host on their own site and servers because they need the revenue to maintain their website and buy RAWs - they have raised this issue at MangaFox many times, only to have their scans ripped and uploaded again, despite the community mods attempting to remove them.
It's not necessarily the money factor that makes people dislike NOEZ, it's the fact that they do not respect the scanlators' wishes. Prime example is MangaStream - they exclusively host on their own site and servers because they need the revenue to maintain their website and buy RAWs - they have raised this issue at MangaFox many times, only to have their scans ripped and uploaded again, despite the community mods attempting to remove them.
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That is a good example but I was talking about groups that are more vocal about it all. Probably should have said that. You have groups that spend a lot of time bashing Noez and running them down and for a really good reason but at the same time they are practicing the same thing. They are making money off ad revenue and posting a persons work on line without the persons permission and all the while they are complaining about how Noez is making money off ad revenue and posting a groups work online without the groups permission. That is the type of group I am talking about. Not groups like CXC or Mangastream(They collect ad revenue off readers but they don't spend all their time complaining and watermarking the crap out of stuff) or groups like Ateam(they watermark but they do not collect ad revenue).
Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:18 AM
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From my perspective, I believe there are two groups of people that hate (insert online reader name here). Because of 1. they hugely profit or 2. they have no respect.
In respect to the profit argument, the scale matters. If a reader makes well over a million dollars (and they do), they have enough money to license it, but they won't. They'll just cash it all. A scanlator differs in the sense that getting recognized by the publisher/author and becoming part of the official comic is actually like a dream come true (has happened). However, this is not possible for them. So, there is a different goal of will at play. But for the most part, I personally believe that a reader provides service and they're getting paid for the service. If you look at imageshack for example, which is simply image hosting place, they profit by providing a service on delivering images made by other people (and therefore naturally copyrighted by others). But we never say (from our perspective) these are immoral in anyway nor do we say they should not profit from another's copyrighted work because they profit from service, not the work itself (for more details on the difference of the two, check out unix's philosophies on the subject which inspired many further licenses regimes). This topic has, however, made the "war" much more heated as people tend to be sensitive about money. But this increase in sensitivity does not necessarily help spread the knowledge because as you pointed out, does not reach far because it is not the point.
The respect argument is much greater and the true core of these arguments however -- which TG points out. There are many sub points which show the importance of respect in scanlation.
Taking an analogy to the far extreme, even among mafia and pirates (the ones that go "Arrr" and sail the seven seas) there is a notion of respect. Because it's vital to sustainability. Imagine all the pirates going around looting from and killing each other, I'm sure there won't be any pirates left then and they're all dead. It's just beneficial to be respectful. By choosing to respect others, you increase their sustainability and your own. Many of the aggregates however fails to do this. While it's not obviously visible from the outside, scanlation is whithering. No matter which scanlation group you talk to, you'll find all of them saying it's harder to find recruits these days. Evidently, just 2 years back, we saw with Naruto, the most scanlated manga of all time, to have, at any given time, a dozen groups scanlating it. Right now, there's only one -- MangaStream. And that is the source of why scanlators began imposing restrictions like delays or no-rehosting so that traffic can be driven back and hopefully, someone will join. Of course, it may also largely be about profiting (MS probably is), but that goes back to the above argument. As more and more of the masses migrate to the readers while alienating the scanlator breaks the sustainability. And when a reader chooses to ignore these policies, less and less people will find the need or will to go back and talk to them. This prevents the sustainability and thus we've arrived at a point where scanlators have hardest time recruiting when there are more readers than ever.
But beyond respect of delay, there is even a greater respect that's necessary. Respect of attribution -- the notion of letting people know who did this. Without attribution, delays doesn't even matter, no one knows who did it, or rather, it's easy to trick to making people to think someone else did it. You see, aggregates benefit when a reader is under the delusion that the comics are produced there and no where else because the reader will stay and won't search elsewhere. When these delusions were proving to be not rare but common, lot of scanlators became quite furious. But this was not the fault of the scanlator's lack of ability to put their names but that their names were taken off by someone else and/or that they were lead or hinted to believe it was produced there. There are many types, but for one example of misleading, about all the aggregates' advertisement (of those who actually do advertise) always say "get comic x here first!" How can they be the first one unless they made it? (Ironically, we can say this because we are the official reader for many groups.) Clearly the first one was the scanlator. So, these type of hints tend to brainwash people that the source of comics are the aggregates and not the scanlator or that aggregates are the scanlators. There are also more obvious tactics like just removing the credits page and not mentioning the scanlators. One that was infamous about removal of attribution is MangaHere (owned by Noez). Followingly, the revelation mangahere and mangafox, whom often pretended to follow scanlator wishes and thus had become favorable by many, was actually a single identity was the point when pretty much "all hell broke loose" versus Noez and their ethics in business. I'm sure you can imagine the feeling of betrayal they had at that moment. When it comes to attribution for scanlators, scanlators actually hold a completely reversal of the role. How often have you seen a scanlator say, go buy this if you love it? Heck, how often have you seen a game, movie, music, etc pirating group (ones that upload/download) say "buy it if you love it"? All the time! Scanlators don't try to harm their source. Therein lies a big difference.
The main issue has always been about respect and who is loved and who is hated is really a difference of where their moralities lie.
There are also many other less common arguments like reduction of quality, and blah blah blah... But that's really not part of this topic.
In respect to the profit argument, the scale matters. If a reader makes well over a million dollars (and they do), they have enough money to license it, but they won't. They'll just cash it all. A scanlator differs in the sense that getting recognized by the publisher/author and becoming part of the official comic is actually like a dream come true (has happened). However, this is not possible for them. So, there is a different goal of will at play. But for the most part, I personally believe that a reader provides service and they're getting paid for the service. If you look at imageshack for example, which is simply image hosting place, they profit by providing a service on delivering images made by other people (and therefore naturally copyrighted by others). But we never say (from our perspective) these are immoral in anyway nor do we say they should not profit from another's copyrighted work because they profit from service, not the work itself (for more details on the difference of the two, check out unix's philosophies on the subject which inspired many further licenses regimes). This topic has, however, made the "war" much more heated as people tend to be sensitive about money. But this increase in sensitivity does not necessarily help spread the knowledge because as you pointed out, does not reach far because it is not the point.
The respect argument is much greater and the true core of these arguments however -- which TG points out. There are many sub points which show the importance of respect in scanlation.
Taking an analogy to the far extreme, even among mafia and pirates (the ones that go "Arrr" and sail the seven seas) there is a notion of respect. Because it's vital to sustainability. Imagine all the pirates going around looting from and killing each other, I'm sure there won't be any pirates left then and they're all dead. It's just beneficial to be respectful. By choosing to respect others, you increase their sustainability and your own. Many of the aggregates however fails to do this. While it's not obviously visible from the outside, scanlation is whithering. No matter which scanlation group you talk to, you'll find all of them saying it's harder to find recruits these days. Evidently, just 2 years back, we saw with Naruto, the most scanlated manga of all time, to have, at any given time, a dozen groups scanlating it. Right now, there's only one -- MangaStream. And that is the source of why scanlators began imposing restrictions like delays or no-rehosting so that traffic can be driven back and hopefully, someone will join. Of course, it may also largely be about profiting (MS probably is), but that goes back to the above argument. As more and more of the masses migrate to the readers while alienating the scanlator breaks the sustainability. And when a reader chooses to ignore these policies, less and less people will find the need or will to go back and talk to them. This prevents the sustainability and thus we've arrived at a point where scanlators have hardest time recruiting when there are more readers than ever.
But beyond respect of delay, there is even a greater respect that's necessary. Respect of attribution -- the notion of letting people know who did this. Without attribution, delays doesn't even matter, no one knows who did it, or rather, it's easy to trick to making people to think someone else did it. You see, aggregates benefit when a reader is under the delusion that the comics are produced there and no where else because the reader will stay and won't search elsewhere. When these delusions were proving to be not rare but common, lot of scanlators became quite furious. But this was not the fault of the scanlator's lack of ability to put their names but that their names were taken off by someone else and/or that they were lead or hinted to believe it was produced there. There are many types, but for one example of misleading, about all the aggregates' advertisement (of those who actually do advertise) always say "get comic x here first!" How can they be the first one unless they made it? (Ironically, we can say this because we are the official reader for many groups.) Clearly the first one was the scanlator. So, these type of hints tend to brainwash people that the source of comics are the aggregates and not the scanlator or that aggregates are the scanlators. There are also more obvious tactics like just removing the credits page and not mentioning the scanlators. One that was infamous about removal of attribution is MangaHere (owned by Noez). Followingly, the revelation mangahere and mangafox, whom often pretended to follow scanlator wishes and thus had become favorable by many, was actually a single identity was the point when pretty much "all hell broke loose" versus Noez and their ethics in business. I'm sure you can imagine the feeling of betrayal they had at that moment. When it comes to attribution for scanlators, scanlators actually hold a completely reversal of the role. How often have you seen a scanlator say, go buy this if you love it? Heck, how often have you seen a game, movie, music, etc pirating group (ones that upload/download) say "buy it if you love it"? All the time! Scanlators don't try to harm their source. Therein lies a big difference.
The main issue has always been about respect and who is loved and who is hated is really a difference of where their moralities lie.
There are also many other less common arguments like reduction of quality, and blah blah blah... But that's really not part of this topic.
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what Grumpy said is right.
just that MangaHere NEVER followed scanlaters wishes, from the start they uploaded a new chapter on the exact day it came out, Mangafox however waited until they were supposed to upload it, well they ignored the waiting time a long time ago.
the funny thing is that they are owned by the same group...
just that MangaHere NEVER followed scanlaters wishes, from the start they uploaded a new chapter on the exact day it came out, Mangafox however waited until they were supposed to upload it, well they ignored the waiting time a long time ago.
the funny thing is that they are owned by the same group...
Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:31 AM
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It differs from group to group. We (Japanzai) have been pretty vocal about it, but those who haven't been following us for long probably don't understand why. For most of the group's lifetime we didn't watermark at all, and even now we don't want to (it's just extra work...), but our reasons for doing so (made clean here: http://japanzai.com/...php?board=201.0 ) outweigh our own desire not to.
It started with them (NOEZ) beginning to (and then completely) ignoring our 24 hour policy, followed by them removing credits pages, DDoSing our previous server (this is only an assumption; we don't know for sure who did it), even getting to the point where they censor the word "Japanzai" on their sites.
In the beginning we simply wanted our 24 hour policy respected, but as we learnt more about NOEZ our reasons increased. Having an actual company IRL profiting from the passion of scanlators is despicable, and by no means should it be compared to the chicken-scratch that scanlators make in order to buy raws and pay for server costs.
It started with them (NOEZ) beginning to (and then completely) ignoring our 24 hour policy, followed by them removing credits pages, DDoSing our previous server (this is only an assumption; we don't know for sure who did it), even getting to the point where they censor the word "Japanzai" on their sites.
In the beginning we simply wanted our 24 hour policy respected, but as we learnt more about NOEZ our reasons increased. Having an actual company IRL profiting from the passion of scanlators is despicable, and by no means should it be compared to the chicken-scratch that scanlators make in order to buy raws and pay for server costs.
Edited by Koro, 31 January 2012 - 02:42 AM.
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Well, talk anything you want, doesn't apply to us, even tho we are one of few groups that make the biggest fuss about NOEZ, we do not take any donations, nor profit in any way possible, and if you want to talk about moneys, it's souldrake that covers ALL COSTS, of purchasing original raw manga, and scanning them by himself. Just to deliver it to english speaking fanbase.
Don't you think we have more then enough reason, to wish for as small thing as RESPECTING OUR WISHES there, bro?
Also, even if there are groups that run on donations and ad revenues, it's perfectly justified, they have personal online readers to run, websites to run, their own raw manga to buy... They aren't really "personally" profitting. Unlike some may think, scanlating does not generate any serious income, and usually scanlators barely get enough to cover the costs.
Don't you think we have more then enough reason, to wish for as small thing as RESPECTING OUR WISHES there, bro?
Also, even if there are groups that run on donations and ad revenues, it's perfectly justified, they have personal online readers to run, websites to run, their own raw manga to buy... They aren't really "personally" profitting. Unlike some may think, scanlating does not generate any serious income, and usually scanlators barely get enough to cover the costs.
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I have just one question. Haven't a a company or a bunch of students come with the same idea that noez uses but that really does watch you mention yet? I mean pay the industry some of the profit and try to use links and connections to legit online shops that sell manga? (although various companies that are "legit" are rotten core with moralaty, a goodexemple is amazon)
That would surely strike noez business and other website alike.
I miss onemanga, dunno if they were like this, but that was were i found manga for the first time.
That would surely strike noez business and other website alike.
I miss onemanga, dunno if they were like this, but that was were i found manga for the first time.
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I have just one question. Haven't a a company or a bunch of students come with the same idea that noez uses but that really does watch you mention yet? I mean pay the industry some of the profit and try to use links and connections to legit online shops that sell manga? (although various companies that are "legit" are rotten core with moralaty, a goodexemple is amazon)
That would surely strike noez business and other website alike.
I miss onemanga, dunno if they were like this, but that was were i found manga for the first time.
lol linking to where you can buy stuff is rather useless if its just right there for free imo
And the main way for the actual jap/wherever publisher to gain legit revenue is to license stuff n.n
Edited by murasakii, 31 January 2012 - 06:20 AM.
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Acttually i looked more into this. An author has universal proprety over his creation. As long as he can prove that the contend is his or immitates/resembles his work enough on any court, under the Universal directive, he does not need a lincense at all. Ofc this is a tenious and painfull way fill with burocracy, but sony does it the time through universal studious as a ilegal scam since they cnet and alike. Anyway that was off trail. I mean a larger scale website like mangasteam.
Follow me on this: imagine MF taking part of their profit, buy a copyr of jump and alike, enlist a bunch of fansub group as volunteers, etc, thus providing them a website and raws to work with, garanting exclusivity/Quicker release, while allowing the teams to cut costs.
As for lincense content, open a shop online, link it and buy it directly from the publishers that tour probably already in contact with brecasse of pressures, relations, etc.
Also i was wondering, if o just change the directive to An. European one wouldnt most manga be unlicense? I mean, where i live there is a single comic store for a whole island of more than 300k people.
Back on topic, the scale of profit is too different. Plus while noez just needs admis and mods, fansub group needs to fill alot of other positions that can be hard to find like translators. Its like comparing batoto which is a manga website to Google which houses links to alot of manga websites. The amontoo of views is too far different to compare.
Im very sorry about the spelling but this phone has autocorrecting and i dono know how to turn it off. As it uses a different language it corrects things that are already right, and since its a pain to review this 5times or more just to stop that i end it here
Follow me on this: imagine MF taking part of their profit, buy a copyr of jump and alike, enlist a bunch of fansub group as volunteers, etc, thus providing them a website and raws to work with, garanting exclusivity/Quicker release, while allowing the teams to cut costs.
As for lincense content, open a shop online, link it and buy it directly from the publishers that tour probably already in contact with brecasse of pressures, relations, etc.
Also i was wondering, if o just change the directive to An. European one wouldnt most manga be unlicense? I mean, where i live there is a single comic store for a whole island of more than 300k people.
Back on topic, the scale of profit is too different. Plus while noez just needs admis and mods, fansub group needs to fill alot of other positions that can be hard to find like translators. Its like comparing batoto which is a manga website to Google which houses links to alot of manga websites. The amontoo of views is too far different to compare.
Im very sorry about the spelling but this phone has autocorrecting and i dono know how to turn it off. As it uses a different language it corrects things that are already right, and since its a pain to review this 5times or more just to stop that i end it here
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Acttually i looked more into this. An author has universal proprety over his creation. As long as he can prove that the contend is his or immitates/resembles his work enough on any court, under the Universal directive, he does not need a lincense at all. Ofc this is a tenious and painfull way fill with burocracy, but sony does it the time through universal studious as a ilegal scam since they cnet and alike. Anyway that was off trail. I mean a larger scale website like mangasteam.
Follow me on this: imagine MF taking part of their profit, buy a copyr of jump and alike, enlist a bunch of fansub group as volunteers, etc, thus providing them a website and raws to work with, garanting exclusivity/Quicker release, while allowing the teams to cut costs.
As for lincense content, open a shop online, link it and buy it directly from the publishers that tour probably already in contact with brecasse of pressures, relations, etc.
Also i was wondering, if o just change the directive to An. European one wouldnt most manga be unlicense? I mean, where i live there is a single comic store for a whole island of more than 300k people.
Back on topic, the scale of profit is too different. Plus while noez just needs admis and mods, fansub group needs to fill alot of other positions that can be hard to find like translators. Its like comparing batoto which is a manga website to Google which houses links to alot of manga websites. The amontoo of views is too far different to compare.
Im very sorry about the spelling but this phone has autocorrecting and i dono know how to turn it off. As it uses a different language it corrects things that are already right, and since its a pain to review this 5times or more just to stop that i end it here
Actually the publisher owns the rights, it's just like how you never hear artists complaining about copyright infringement and it's always the music companies ~_~ Or like in Bakuman, Shueisha iscthe one who decides whethrr an anime happens or not once it's been offered. Well maybe some older authors have the rights... But then again who knows, I'm definitely no expert on this.
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Actually the publisher owns the rights, it's just like how you never hear artists complaining about copyright infringement and it's always the music companies ~_~ Or like in Bakuman, Shueisha iscthe one who decides whethrr an anime happens or not once it's been offered. Well maybe some older authors have the rights... But then again who knows, I'm definitely no expert on this.
as far as I know, this is wrong.
the manga artist/author owns the right to the manga he produces. yes, "jump" has alot to say if an anime will be produced but if the author/artist is against it there won´t be any anime.
its different from the way how comics work. for example: DC owns the rights to their comics because they buy the characters. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and a lot more are all owned by DC. that means that even after Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster died they can still release new comics and don´t have to wait 70 years until the rights of the characters become public domain because they bought the characters from the artists/authors.
this is unlike how manga works, if Eiichiro Oda (the creater of One Piece) dies, we won´t see any more chapters, because he owns the right of One Piece.
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Actually the publisher owns the rights, it's just like how you never hear artists complaining about copyright infringement and it's always the music companies ~_~ Or like in Bakuman, Shueisha iscthe one who decides whethrr an anime happens or not once it's been offered. Well maybe some older authors have the rights... But then again who knows, I'm definitely no expert on this.
as far as I know, this is wrong.
the manga artist/author owns the right to the manga he produces. yes, "jump" has alot to say if an anime will be produced but if the author/artist is against it there won´t be any anime.
its different from the way how comics work. for example: DC owns the rights to their comics because they buy the characters. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and a lot more are all owned by DC. that means that even after Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster died they can still release new comics and don´t have to wait 70 years until the rights of the characters become public domain because they bought the characters from the artists/authors.
this is unlike how manga works, if Eiichiro Oda (the creater of One Piece) dies, we won´t see any more chapters, because he owns the right of One Piece.
nope , sorry
publishing companies owns the right of the series and they pay the authors for their ideas in per page
though if they die(author/artist) the series probably wont get resumed , because it is hard to be done by another mangaka while keeping the originality of the series to its previous creator
the only case where authors/artists have full power over their series and rights are doujin's and artbooks (though artbooks are voluntary , so it depends on the case there) and mostly stuff released on comicons and similar meetings
to sum it up - if its in a magazine owned by a company , mangaka had sold their rights to the publisher
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Actually the publisher owns the rights, it's just like how you never hear artists complaining about copyright infringement and it's always the music companies ~_~ Or like in Bakuman, Shueisha iscthe one who decides whethrr an anime happens or not once it's been offered. Well maybe some older authors have the rights... But then again who knows, I'm definitely no expert on this.
as far as I know, this is wrong.
the manga artist/author owns the right to the manga he produces. yes, "jump" has alot to say if an anime will be produced but if the author/artist is against it there won´t be any anime.
its different from the way how comics work. for example: DC owns the rights to their comics because they buy the characters. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and a lot more are all owned by DC. that means that even after Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster died they can still release new comics and don´t have to wait 70 years until the rights of the characters become public domain because they bought the characters from the artists/authors.
this is unlike how manga works, if Eiichiro Oda (the creater of One Piece) dies, we won´t see any more chapters, because he owns the right of One Piece.
nope , sorry
publishing companies owns the right of the series and they pay the authors for their ideas in per page
though if they die(author/artist) the series probably wont get resumed , because it is hard to be done by another mangaka while keeping the originality of the series to its previous creator
the only case where authors/artists have full power over their series and rights are doujin's and artbooks (though artbooks are voluntary , so it depends on the case there) and mostly stuff released on comicons and similar meetings
to sum it up - if its in a magazine owned by a company , mangaka had sold their rights to the publisher
But this concentration of manga fame into a few J.K. Rowlings and James Pattersons is an untenable situation, since it means there's too much money riding on their manga for them to end their series or try anything interesting. Kentaro Takekuma even suggested that big publishers could emulate American comics by turning Naruto and Bleach into publisher-owned properties like Batman and Superman, so they can keep running indefinitely, a truly horrifying suggestion.
taken from here.
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Way off... Every.. If only would you look at sport. The author own everything as intelectual material, and that is copyright universal directive.
But as They cant afford to publish it themselves, publishing companies pay for the right to sell books, merchandize, etc...
Now here is where it gets tricky. There are various laws in different countries and different contracts can be made, but all must respect one thing.
The company buys the rights, or employs the author, but it still his work and he will be pay everytime it is used. Now if the company has exclusive or not, thats up to the contract, but they must pay, even after he is dead(thats alot more burocratic but normally its heirs or funds. Depends alot. But dont bring up Mozart and alike because you can simply say its and adaptation of An. Adaptation.
A godo exemple. Everytime you see the birthday song on tv etc, the producer pay a little, which is worth around 2million a year.
But as They cant afford to publish it themselves, publishing companies pay for the right to sell books, merchandize, etc...
Now here is where it gets tricky. There are various laws in different countries and different contracts can be made, but all must respect one thing.
The company buys the rights, or employs the author, but it still his work and he will be pay everytime it is used. Now if the company has exclusive or not, thats up to the contract, but they must pay, even after he is dead(thats alot more burocratic but normally its heirs or funds. Depends alot. But dont bring up Mozart and alike because you can simply say its and adaptation of An. Adaptation.
A godo exemple. Everytime you see the birthday song on tv etc, the producer pay a little, which is worth around 2million a year.
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Follow me on this: imagine MF taking part of their profit, buy a copyr of jump and alike, enlist a bunch of fansub group as volunteers, etc, thus providing them a website and raws to work with, garanting exclusivity/Quicker release, while allowing the teams to cut costs.
As for lincense content, open a shop online, link it and buy it directly from the publishers that tour probably already in contact with brecasse of pressures, relations, etc.
Also i was wondering, if o just change the directive to An. European one wouldnt most manga be unlicense? I mean, where i live there is a single comic store for a whole island of more than 300k people.
I'm not sure I interpreted your argument correctly, but...
Yes, NOEZ easily have enough money to license and produce many series many times over. Unfortunately that would cost them money, and they're somewhat allergic to that. As long as scanlators provide work for free, they will continue to rip it.
In regards to them enlisting people, look at Dragon and Fly or Tiger and Mosquito. Both are C>E groups linked to NOEZ, most likely commissioned by them.
On a separate note, if there were more initiatives like this: http://digitalmangaguild.com/ (where a company buys licenses and raws, then hires "scanlators" under a different name to legally produce manga) there would probably be more movement against sites like Mangafox. People would still try to get manga for free, sure, but if legal, licensed publications are available in English over the net (and thus unlikely to be touched by a majority of scanlators), there will always be those willing to pay, and it would produce arguments against those who claim they can't obtain the manga in their country/language.
Edited by Koro, 02 February 2012 - 03:37 AM.
Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:36 AM
Russet Potato
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Too be honest,
If a Big-Scale Scanlation group, like Japanzai, Easy Going Scans, Red Hawk Scans and many other great groups, have a problem with NOEZ,
It is very easy to get "Rid of Mangafox.com" ( Depending if you know how to and how not to get caught )
Still i do agree with Koro with http://digitalmangaguild.com/ being a great website.
Thus, Try to E-Mail/Call ( Depending if you live near ) the Company which publishes the manga, and tell them what NOEZ is doing.
If your lucky, they might take Legal action.
You have a NO, you can get a YES.
If a Big-Scale Scanlation group, like Japanzai, Easy Going Scans, Red Hawk Scans and many other great groups, have a problem with NOEZ,
It is very easy to get "Rid of Mangafox.com" ( Depending if you know how to and how not to get caught )
Still i do agree with Koro with http://digitalmangaguild.com/ being a great website.
Thus, Try to E-Mail/Call ( Depending if you live near ) the Company which publishes the manga, and tell them what NOEZ is doing.
If your lucky, they might take Legal action.
You have a NO, you can get a YES.
Posted 05 February 2012 - 04:02 AM
Baked Potato
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Still i do agree with Koro with http://digitalmangaguild.com/ being a great website.
Thus, Try to E-Mail/Call ( Depending if you live near ) the Company which publishes the manga, and tell them what NOEZ is doing.
If your lucky, they might take Legal action.
I am sure the publishers know what NOEZ is doing.
Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:21 AM
